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		<title>By: IndianPad</title>
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		<title>By: David Scott Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Scott Lewis</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As the former VP of Business Development for Worksoft and Beyondsoft, the two largest U.S. focused China-based ITO firms, and as SVP for the outsourcing hub at Tsinghua University, let me chime in with some observations:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#1, #2, #6 and #7 are a fact.  However ...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#3: The growth in broadband may not have a very high impact on the IT outsourcing business in China.  It *might*, but this is not a certainty -- and there&#039;s little evidence that this is the case right now.  (I know of a couple of instances, but nothing statistically significant.)  There&#039;s certainly a hope that burgeoning broadband will create an opportunity, but I see many obstacles on the execution side.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#4: Huh?  Northeast and East China, eh?  NEVER look at it this way.  It&#039;s much more a factor of which cities are players rather than regions.  BJ will remain #1.  SH and SZ come in next.  Then there&#039;s DL, primarily for Japanese clients.  Next up:  WH, XA, CD.  Possibilities:  Suzhou, NJ, TJ, GZ.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#5: Maybe.  Maybe not.  GZ is certainly making a play in conjunction with HK.  SZ is already a player.  But a claim of &quot;rapid growth&quot; is far from certain -- and not as likely as in other places.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#8: And they&#039;re all in DL or SH (some in BJ).  A &quot;good number&quot;?  What does this mean?  This seems like an exaggeration sans DL.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#9 &amp; #10: Wishful thinking ... but my wish, too.  Little evidence of this.  Lots of talk; little action.  Microsoft has 100% market share, zero revenues.  That&#039;s life in China; get over it ...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;#11: Make me fall out of my chair laughing.  Can&#039;t build packaged applications solutions if you haven&#039;t used the software in the first place!!  Ask SAP how many instances they have of R/3 in China.  Then ask how many are supply chain apps.  Hmmm ... I think we have a disconnect.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In BPO for English-speaking countries, China sucks.  Anybody who speaks English can get a better job than working at a call center.  For Asian languages, BPO in China will lead India.  Language issue, plain and simple.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In ITO, for end users ... well, don&#039;t bother going there.  For ISVs, it really depends.  L10N/G18N, sure.  Testing, okie, dokie.  Open source, embedded, and agile: China is a better option than India.  For everything else, get on the next flight to India.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In ESO (engineering services outsourcing), China will kick India&#039;s butt.  I know that NASSCOM is claiming superiority for India in ESO, but it simply isn&#039;t so. India does have strong capabilities, but they can&#039;t touch China.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fact: According to a third-party monitoring service, there are more English-language technical conferences held each year in China than in India.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fact (and a more important fact): There are over four times as many English-language technical papers published in China versus India. That&#039;s right, over four times as many!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take a look at this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4456 records in Inspec for 2005-2007&lt;br /&gt;
((india WN ALL) AND ((({B}) WN DI) OR (({C}) WN DI) OR (({D}) WN DI) OR (({E}) WN DI)) AND ((PRA WN TR) OR (EXP WN TR))) NOT (THR WN TR) {india} WN CO&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;20503 records in Inspec for 2005-2007&lt;br /&gt;
((china WN ALL) AND ((({B}) WN DI) OR (({C}) WN DI) OR (({D}) WN DI) OR (({E}) WN DI)) AND ((PRA WN TR) OR (EXP WN TR)) AND (({English}) WN LA)) NOT (THR WN TR) {china} WN CO&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s proof for you!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding IPR issues, I don&#039;t want to lie and say that China is making great progress in IP protection. The problem is somewhat cultural; it transcends anything the government can do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Solution: Don&#039;t be an idiot!! Keep all core IP development in your home country; don&#039;t offshore it ... anywhere!! But if you&#039;re a SME (small/medium enterprise), look to China for R&amp;D for exploring secondary and tertiary market opportunities that are simply too expensive to explore back home. Let&#039;s take the U.S., for example. The annual fully-burdened labor cost for a Ph.D. is about $250,000. In China it&#039;s less than $50,000 (and I&#039;m being generous in my calculations; a Ph.D. for a top-tier school with a few years experience can often be had for as little as US$18,000 per year ... and burden rates are much lower in China, especially in areas with good incentives, like Suzhou, TJ, and GZ).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SMEs in the States cannot afford to explore secondary market opportunities. But with a China option, exploring secondary markets becomes doable. Often the best bet is to start as an ODC (offshore development center) and then convert the ODC with a BOT (build-operate-transfer) model to a CRC (captive research center). Flip a switch and you go from third-party outsourcing support to a full-fledged research center in China.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the former VP of Business Development for Worksoft and Beyondsoft, the two largest U.S. focused China-based ITO firms, and as SVP for the outsourcing hub at Tsinghua University, let me chime in with some observations:</p>
<p>#1, #2, #6 and #7 are a fact.  However &#8230;</p>
<p>#3: The growth in broadband may not have a very high impact on the IT outsourcing business in China.  It *might*, but this is not a certainty &#8212; and there&#8217;s little evidence that this is the case right now.  (I know of a couple of instances, but nothing statistically significant.)  There&#8217;s certainly a hope that burgeoning broadband will create an opportunity, but I see many obstacles on the execution side.</p>
<p>#4: Huh?  Northeast and East China, eh?  NEVER look at it this way.  It&#8217;s much more a factor of which cities are players rather than regions.  BJ will remain #1.  SH and SZ come in next.  Then there&#8217;s DL, primarily for Japanese clients.  Next up:  WH, XA, CD.  Possibilities:  Suzhou, NJ, TJ, GZ.</p>
<p>#5: Maybe.  Maybe not.  GZ is certainly making a play in conjunction with HK.  SZ is already a player.  But a claim of &#8220;rapid growth&#8221; is far from certain &#8212; and not as likely as in other places.</p>
<p>#8: And they&#8217;re all in DL or SH (some in BJ).  A &#8220;good number&#8221;?  What does this mean?  This seems like an exaggeration sans DL.</p>
<p>#9 &#038; #10: Wishful thinking &#8230; but my wish, too.  Little evidence of this.  Lots of talk; little action.  Microsoft has 100% market share, zero revenues.  That&#8217;s life in China; get over it &#8230;</p>
<p>#11: Make me fall out of my chair laughing.  Can&#8217;t build packaged applications solutions if you haven&#8217;t used the software in the first place!!  Ask SAP how many instances they have of R/3 in China.  Then ask how many are supply chain apps.  Hmmm &#8230; I think we have a disconnect.</p>
<p>In BPO for English-speaking countries, China sucks.  Anybody who speaks English can get a better job than working at a call center.  For Asian languages, BPO in China will lead India.  Language issue, plain and simple.</p>
<p>In ITO, for end users &#8230; well, don&#8217;t bother going there.  For ISVs, it really depends.  L10N/G18N, sure.  Testing, okie, dokie.  Open source, embedded, and agile: China is a better option than India.  For everything else, get on the next flight to India.</p>
<p>In ESO (engineering services outsourcing), China will kick India&#8217;s butt.  I know that NASSCOM is claiming superiority for India in ESO, but it simply isn&#8217;t so. India does have strong capabilities, but they can&#8217;t touch China.</p>
<p>Fact: According to a third-party monitoring service, there are more English-language technical conferences held each year in China than in India.</p>
<p>Fact (and a more important fact): There are over four times as many English-language technical papers published in China versus India. That&#8217;s right, over four times as many!!</p>
<p>Take a look at this:</p>
<p>4456 records in Inspec for 2005-2007<br />
((india WN ALL) AND ((({B}) WN DI) OR (({C}) WN DI) OR (({D}) WN DI) OR (({E}) WN DI)) AND ((PRA WN TR) OR (EXP WN TR))) NOT (THR WN TR) {india} WN CO</p>
<p>20503 records in Inspec for 2005-2007<br />
((china WN ALL) AND ((({B}) WN DI) OR (({C}) WN DI) OR (({D}) WN DI) OR (({E}) WN DI)) AND ((PRA WN TR) OR (EXP WN TR)) AND (({English}) WN LA)) NOT (THR WN TR) {china} WN CO</p>
<p>There&#8217;s proof for you!!</p>
<p>Regarding IPR issues, I don&#8217;t want to lie and say that China is making great progress in IP protection. The problem is somewhat cultural; it transcends anything the government can do.</p>
<p>Solution: Don&#8217;t be an idiot!! Keep all core IP development in your home country; don&#8217;t offshore it &#8230; anywhere!! But if you&#8217;re a SME (small/medium enterprise), look to China for R&#038;D for exploring secondary and tertiary market opportunities that are simply too expensive to explore back home. Let&#8217;s take the U.S., for example. The annual fully-burdened labor cost for a Ph.D. is about $250,000. In China it&#8217;s less than $50,000 (and I&#8217;m being generous in my calculations; a Ph.D. for a top-tier school with a few years experience can often be had for as little as US$18,000 per year &#8230; and burden rates are much lower in China, especially in areas with good incentives, like Suzhou, TJ, and GZ).</p>
<p>SMEs in the States cannot afford to explore secondary market opportunities. But with a China option, exploring secondary markets becomes doable. Often the best bet is to start as an ODC (offshore development center) and then convert the ODC with a BOT (build-operate-transfer) model to a CRC (captive research center). Flip a switch and you go from third-party outsourcing support to a full-fledged research center in China.</p>
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